一直看推文好累喔... - 天竺鼠
By Emma
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我忍不住想整理一下...Orz
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推 Cid:在歐美國家, 天竺鼠多是10歲以下兒童的寵物唷... 沒什麼道理4 09/04 23:25
→ Cid:歲不能養. 09/04 23:25
推 Cid:照"4歲不懂養寵物"的邏輯, 是否也能立論"4歲不懂照顧弟弟"所以 09/04 23:32
→ Cid:最好等小孩10多歲再生下一胎, 因為怕弟弟被哥哥玩掛...XD 09/04 23:33
→ Cid:養寵物也是一種很好的教小朋友如何對待生命的教育方式, 不是嗎 09/04 23:37
→ Cid:以上是成功的案例.. :p 09/04 23:44
→ Cid:話說四歲小孩養寵物家長不太可能不幫忙吧 :p 09/05 10:30
→ Cid:並且就算家長是新手又如何? 每一個板上的飼主們不也是從新手開 09/05 10:31
→ Cid:始跌跌撞撞, 一點一滴地學習相關知識與技巧走過來的嗎? 09/05 10:32
→ Cid:身為有經驗的飼主, 對新手飼主分享飼養經驗, 並且給予鼓勵, 應 09/05 10:36
→ Cid:該比起質疑對方甚至想讓對方打退堂鼓來得更有建設性吧 :) 09/05 10:37
推 Cid:樓上, 那就是養寵物作為一種生命教育所要教小孩的事: 認真地對 09/05 10:44
→ Cid:待所飼養的生命, 不是嗎? 棄養這種事不必然與年紀小的飼主有關 09/05 10:45
→ Cid:話說板上很多人(包括我)養的天竺鼠, 都是"莫名其妙地病死"的吧 09/05 10:46
→ Cid:要不是真正親身經歷過這些事, 怎麼會知道天竺鼠的脆弱, 怎麼會 09/05 10:47
→ Cid:知道家裡要準備草粉灌食器... 09/05 10:47
→ Cid:為什麼聽到是"家長"就覺得會棄養呢? 難道"大學生"就比較不會嗎 09/05 10:48
→ Cid:多給新手一點鼓勵吧, 他們都說了"考慮良久", 為什麼不相信呢? 09/05 10:48
→ Cid:要怎麼樣的認養文才叫做有"愛"? 我以為比起認養文, 很多反對者 09/05 10:50
→ Cid:的意見中更是充斥著一種老鳥對新手的傲慢...:p 09/05 10:51
→ Cid:將心比心吧, 很多人養天竺鼠並不是因為先"愛上"天竺鼠, 而是實 09/05 10:51
→ Cid:際飼養後, 在與天竺鼠的互動中產生的感情. 不是嗎? 09/05 10:52
→ Cid:話說當初我們家養天竺鼠也不是因為我們很愛天竺鼠所以才認養的 09/05 10:53
→ Cid:, 但飼養至今, 我敢說我們對他是真的用心在照顧, 並且也真的從 09/05 10:54
→ Cid:板上許多前輩的經驗分享中學到許多東西...倘若在養之前就被質 09/05 10:55
→ Cid:疑的話, 我想我們大概也不會有那麼多美好的經驗吧 :> 09/05 10:56
推 Cid:能與飼主產生親密互動的動物中, 天竺鼠應該算是最小隻的吧:p 09/05 11:26
推 Cid:將心比心吧, 雖然這是轉錄文, 原po看不到推文, 但我以為若原po 09/05 16:37
→ Cid:看到推文的"善意提醒"恐怕是很難高興的. 養寵物結果是好是壞與 09/05 16:39
→ Cid:飼主身份不必然有關, 我們沒有明確的統計數據證實家長與小孩的 09/05 16:40
→ Cid:飼主組合比一般大學生或其它人更容易造成不幸的結局, 那麼我們 09/05 16:40
→ Cid:不論是基於何種立場提出的"提醒"或"質疑", 都是一種不恰當的發 09/05 16:41
→ Cid:言. 大家都有過新手階段, 回想一下養天竺鼠的初衷吧.. :) 09/05 16:42
推 Cid:有興趣的板友可以查查過往曾經在板上說要認養天天的文章, 引起 09/05 16:55
→ Cid:這麼廣大的"提醒"的這恐怕是唯一一篇吧..其實不論如何, 我以為 09/05 16:56
→ Cid:這位家長會選擇以認養而非購買的方式取得寵物, 就已經算是頗有 09/05 16:56
→ Cid:概念的了不是嗎? 如果真的沒打算要用心對待天天, 花個不到200 09/05 16:57
→ Cid:NTD就能買到一支可愛(又可憐)的幼天了... 09/05 16:58
推 Cid:的確要考慮, 但我所質疑的是, 發文徵求認養天竺鼠者眾, 何以其 09/05 17:56
→ Cid:它人的發文未受板友們的關注, 建議其再三考慮? 這背後隱藏的難 09/05 17:57
→ Cid:道不正是我們對家長飼主的不信任? 這種不信任並非根基於任何可 09/05 17:58
→ Cid:信的事實上, 而是起於一種想當然爾的臆測上─而這是不恰當的. 09/05 18:00
→ Cid:至於"小孩子養死幼天比成年人養死更正常"此段論述的邏輯是..? 09/05 18:03
→ Cid:我說的是"統計數據無法支持此推論". 09/05 18:19
→ Cid:如果動機是因為"我想養"或"我愛天天", 這類動機也可能會在將來 09/05 18:21
→ Cid:改變, 照同樣的想法, 以後不論誰發文說想養天天, 板上就準備先 09/05 18:22
→ Cid:好好地來質疑一番吧..:p 09/05 18:22
→ Cid:我當然知道大家有這種推論的原因, 但倘若仔細去思索, 應該也會 09/05 18:23
→ Cid:發現此推論的不恰當. 09/05 18:23
推 Cid:嗯, 我同意雨林的解釋, 但這樣就表示我們以後也要用同樣的標準 09/05 18:27
→ Cid:來請想認養天天的人思考同樣的問題, 對吧? :) 09/05 18:28
→ Cid:(小孩有可能將來不想養了, 大學生也有可能啊..) 09/05 18:28
推 Cid:嗯, 先說個不好意思, 以下的舉例可能冒犯cle大, 但我並無此意. 09/05 18:33
→ Cid:cle大於板上第一篇談到想認養天天, 也做了很多考慮, 但唯一的 09/05 18:34
→ Cid:問題是沒錢買籠子..倘若當時有人推文:"養天本來就該存錢, 而且 09/05 18:35
→ Cid:開銷很大, 原po要多考慮一下", 這樣的推文八成會造成cle大的不 09/05 18:36
→ Cid:悅或甚至打退堂鼓吧? 但這正是這篇文章推文中許多人所想要做的 09/05 18:37
→ Cid:事: 看到新手要養天天, 先要問動機和準備功課... 09/05 18:38
→ Cid:可是我們也看到了即使沒有這樣的質疑, cle無疑仍是個盡心盡力 09/05 18:39
→ Cid:的好飼主, 而且還在板上分享許多實用的飼養心得. 對比此例, 我 09/05 18:40
→ Cid:以為既然原文都說了"考慮良久", 我們卻還是去質疑他沒考慮清楚 09/05 18:40
→ Cid:, 這難道不是一種不尊重對方的言論? 09/05 18:41
推 Cid:嗯, 同意, 當時cle大的動機的確很強烈, 那不如再看看1813篇, 09/05 18:44
→ Cid:為何沒有人提出類似質疑呢?.. 09/05 18:45
推 Cid:無論如何, 質疑對方的動機, 都是不恰當的, 每個人養寵物都有自 09/05 18:47
→ Cid:己的理由. (cle大: 那篇可沒有質疑"動機"唷..) 09/05 18:47
→ Cid:那麼為何不質疑他是否將來有可能不想養了, 而去質疑小孩將來可 09/05 18:49
→ Cid:能不想養?.. 這就是我所說的, 那隱藏在言論背後的不信任.. 09/05 18:50
推 cleliza:只能說,父母要考慮清楚,要有覺悟... 09/04 22:26
推 cleliza:小孩子養寵物,家長真的很重要,而且看來家長也是新手... 09/05 07:03
推 cleliza:別吵啦...大家思考的角度不盡相同,其實真的沒有誰對誰錯 09/05 18:13
→ cleliza:那ci大有沒有想過 為何大家都會有這種推論? 09/05 18:22
→ cleliza:像我自己成長歷程中也養過不少動物 回想起來 幾乎都是我父 09/05 18:23
→ cleliza:母照顧的 而且沒有啥正確飼養觀念 命大的活下來 虛弱的 09/05 18:23
→ cleliza:就...然後我們做小孩的 真的想不了那麼多 也不會找資料 09/05 18:24
→ cleliza:所以才會看到這種文章 就發出這樣的提醒orz 09/05 18:24
→ cleliza:ci大的立意也是好的 提供我們另一種思考面向 但是這篇之 09/05 18:25
→ cleliza:所以會引起廣大迴響 不是沒有原因的 我推文的原因也是sp 09/05 18:26
→ cleliza:大和雨林大所說的原因 如此而已 09/05 18:26
→ cleliza:所以不會每個人發文說想認養天天 我都會質疑... 09/05 18:27
→ cleliza:因為我們並不認識認養文原po 所以只能從他的認養文中認識 09/05 18:30
→ cleliza:他 現在他的認養文透露出的訊息使大家有這樣的推論 09/05 18:30
→ cleliza:我們才會就著這樣的訊息提供建議 09/05 18:30
→ cleliza:如果一篇認養文在大家眼中看來並沒有什麼bug 我想也不會 09/05 18:31
→ cleliza:有人在下面推一堆養天守則給他吧 09/05 18:31
→ cleliza:說來說去 天板的精華區更顯重要阿...新手必看~ 09/05 18:32
推 cleliza:我不會耶 那時候的狀況是有一隻流浪天 然後都沒人要養 09/05 18:38
→ cleliza:記得好像po了好幾天都沒人認養 我花了一些時間研究 就先 09/05 18:39
→ cleliza:把牠接來 因為撿到牠的人完全不會養 還給牠吃吐司... 09/05 18:39
→ cleliza:那個狀況是比較緊急的 我沒辦法再拖久一點去把所有東西 09/05 18:41
→ cleliza:張羅好 所以很倉促啦... 09/05 18:41
→ cleliza:我看到原文說 要新生baby鼠 我就知道是新手了... 09/05 18:42
→ cleliza:所以我直接想說 是不是只考慮體型大小阿( ̄□ ̄|||)a 09/05 18:42
推 cleliza:那篇喔 從三樓以降我覺得都是阿... 09/05 18:46
→ cleliza:哎呀 這樣子氣氛很僵耶 ci大 你的想法其實沒有跟我們有 09/05 18:47
→ cleliza:絕對的衝突啦 我們也管不到原po會如何照顧天天 只能這樣 09/05 18:48
→ cleliza:提醒而已... 09/05 18:49
→ cleliza:因為我自己是小孩的時候 是一種可怕的動物... 09/05 18:50
→ rainforest10:4歲小孩@@" 感覺不是會照顧寵物... 09/04 21:44
推 rainforest10:其實還是要看家長願不願意和小孩一起照顧吧@@ 09/05 05:40
→ rainforest10:有很多觀念還是需要家長陪同才行的,直接交給四歲小孩 09/05 05:41
→ rainforest10:其實我也是很不放心的 09/05 05:41
推 rainforest10:我覺得事前問清楚不是質疑吧...只是提醒如果發生以下 09/05 11:13
→ rainforest10:事情家長要如何應變,而不是不信任的問題 09/05 11:14
→ rainforest10:M大可能是看認養理由:小孩想養<<<這句話才感覺沒有那 09/05 11:16
→ rainforest10:麼熱愛天天吧@@ 可以建議家長獲得天天前後時間,可利 09/05 11:17
→ rainforest10:用一些時間去網站了解天竺鼠一些基本知識,也可以教育 09/05 11:18
→ rainforest10:四歲小朋友,家長肯陪小孩我想降子也可以增進親子關係 09/05 11:19
推 rainforest10:話說,體積較小的動物...天竺鼠XD 他是巨鼠唷~XDDD 09/05 11:21
推 rainforest10:我覺得提醒和質疑並沒錯啊@@我們只是想說他的動機是 09/05 18:18
→ rainforest10:小孩想養,那如果這最原始的動機不在了,後果會如何而 09/05 18:18
→ rainforest10:已啊@@ 我是新手,別人質疑我,我會去詢問,因為不懂的 09/05 18:19
→ rainforest10:有很多事情,並不在意別人的質疑,天天能得到最大幸福 09/05 18:19
→ rainforest10:我自己就會很開心了,我並不會想說別人這些話是質疑 09/05 18:20
→ rainforest10:沒錯他是可以直接去買一隻來養,但是她既然已經想認養 09/05 18:22
→ rainforest10:我們問她提醒他,讓他仔細思考也沒錯啊!其實大家最終 09/05 18:24
→ rainforest10:只是想問,如果小孩子不喜歡天竺鼠了,家長會如何處理 09/05 18:24
→ rainforest10:喔呵呵~所以大學生還要考慮金錢和佳里因素唷!!! 09/05 18:31
→ rainforest10:像我就為了我家天寶貝在多接一份家教了XD(偏題了我) 09/05 18:32
→ rainforest10:對啊~精華區很重要的說ˋˊ真的應該快點整理~ 09/05 18:33
→ rainforest10:我在養天天前,韓韓的新手曲我看了不下十遍,才確定養 09/05 18:34
推 rainforest10:我覺得沒甚麼好不悅的啊,沒錢你家天天吃甚麼,再說我 09/05 18:39
→ rainforest10:一開始養也沒用籠子啊,東西可以慢慢購入 09/05 18:39
推 rainforest10:可是我覺得cle可以讓大家看得出來他很關心也很有心要 09/05 18:42
→ rainforest10:照顧那隻天天耶@@ 因為她提問了好多唷 09/05 18:42
推 rainforest10:他的動機是他想養,既然是想養的人,想必會願意付出 09/05 18:48
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