犧牲14隻米格魯 (愛狗網友問答整理) - 狗
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作者: tony2256 (leebr) 看板: Gossiping
標題: Re: [新聞] 犧牲14隻米格魯 (整理)
時間: Sat Aug 17 23:35:18 2013
看到好像還是很多人對這個實驗目的抱持著疑惑
我試著整理目前大家和網友的解釋
當然,我也只是稍微有學過相關的科普知識,不算真正專業的防疫專家,
如果有錯還請各位鄉民補充指正。
-------------------------------分隔線----------------------------------
Q1.為什麼做這個實驗!這個實驗不就只是看狗會不會感染狂犬病嗎?
國外不是早就有資料了?
A:
因為這次出現的台灣鼬獾身上的狂犬病毒株,是"新的"病毒株,和國外的不同,也和過去
以往的不同。補充:這次台灣發現的鼬獾病毒和犬隻狂犬病病毒基因比序只有百分之
八十八到九十二的相似性(資料來源:http://ppt.cc/XeBr)
所以實驗還要看的是傳染力、發病機率、等等來決定未來防疫的規模和方向。
傳染力+致病率的高低所要應對的防疫措施也會不同。
研究致病性傳染力和毒型強弱對防疫有甚麼影響呢?
剛剛說了,每個國家的狂犬病毒情況不太相同,
有些對人犬的致病性低和毒性低,如果台灣這個亞種是這樣,那皆大歡喜
大家都回家洗洗睡了免擔心。
如果台灣碰上的剛好相反都是毒性強、高致病性,接著台灣鼬獾身上的新亞種病毒突變或
跨物種傳染後,已現在擁有的傳統狂犬病疫苗,或免疫球蛋白,能對新的病毒株能提供多
少保護效力就無法確定要重新評估。
重複一下,這個實驗不是單純只看會不會感染,而是有很多必要的資訊在裡面,也是為了
未來的犬貓和人們的安全
況且農委會之後做防疫工作要不要開預算?開預算難道希望他們是自由心證隨便亂開嗎?
當然要調查後有證據才能支持。
至於樣本數和其他設計及其他會影響到實驗可信度的問題我就不清楚了,
也許有人能幫忙補充?
Q2.為甚麼要用米格魯!狗狗很可憐耶?
這邊分開兩部分回答,第一是米格魯從一直以來都是標準實驗動物:
純種品系和遺傳穩定,性情溫和等等特性,所以會選擇米格魯來做實驗對象
有些狗飼料上市前也是找牠做實驗,不然怎麼知道能夠預防結石、化毛、這些功效?
更不用說犬貓的用藥也是要經過動物實驗來測試藥物反應才能來給你家生病的愛犬服用。
第二是犬貓通常是傳染給人類最大的跳板,依現階段疫情(7/21~8/15)遭動物咬傷需給與
疫苗的人數統計來看,
被犬貓抓咬傷的暴露人數最多(1144)人,對比老鼠(197),錢鼠(157)鼬獾(36),數據上狗
和人接觸的比例確實高出許多。
或許這部份有其他人有更好的見解,就留給他人補充了,例如山區老鼠比較多該先做老鼠
之類的..
Q3.可是知名獸醫戴醫生有講這個實驗不必做耶!他是專家耶!
戴獸醫反對的理由:(以下引述他的說法)
獸醫院院長戴更基今天中午接受本報訪問時拿出一疊醫學文獻指出,
「只要是溫血哺乳動物都可能感染狂犬病毒,這種實驗十多年前國外就曾做過文獻報告且
發表!」
為什麼國外做過國內還要做這部分的原因Q1有解釋過了
而戴大獸醫秀出來的表格內,確實沒看到有台灣鼬獾在其中,而病毒株確實和國外不相同
況且那疊文獻中,有哪一篇裡面的的病毒株是單獨發作在單一食肉目動物卻從不會跨物種
傳染給狗的?
至於專家這部分,我也想不通,獸醫是在第一線做防疫工作值得敬佩沒錯,
但我真的不能理解他的發言....
這方面我寧可更相信前台灣省家畜衛生試驗所所長劉培柏說的資訊。
Q4.動物實驗好慘忍!人類好可惡為甚麼你們不要用人類自己去實驗!!
答:從我們出生開始就一直以來在享受動物實驗帶來的福祉恩惠,
包括各種疫苗、藥品、食品、洗髮沐浴乳、化妝品、寵物飼料、甚至衛生棉。
當中動物受的苦楚會少嗎?兔子眼睛爛掉就不用說了,成千上萬的小老鼠摘取器官開腦取
腸難道他們就沒感覺?
我相信有報應,但我們沒有人能逃的掉,
偏愛單一物種(例如愛狗)並不會就能讓你上天堂。
我們只能盡量選擇減少,能不用實驗動物就不用,
抱著一份尊重感恩的心態平等的看待這些捨身菩薩。
而不是單純因為看到狗可愛而開始失去理智亂罵,
動不動就把意見相反的人說成沒愛心或開始來個人肉搜索防疫工作人員,
汙名化辛苦的實驗人員,忽略其他受苦的實驗動物,並不公平。
----------------------------------------------------------------------
最後,希望大家能讓更多人知道這個實驗是有意義的,
防疫工作和做動物實驗其實都不會是什麼快樂的工作,請不要汙名化實驗人員
如果我有說錯也麻煩大家多多指正包涵。
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作者: tony2256 (leebr) 看板: Gossiping
標題: Re: [新聞] 犧牲14隻米格魯 (整理)
時間: Sat Aug 17 23:35:18 2013
看到好像還是很多人對這個實驗目的抱持著疑惑
我試著整理目前大家和網友的解釋
當然,我也只是稍微有學過相關的科普知識,不算真正專業的防疫專家,
如果有錯還請各位鄉民補充指正。
-------------------------------分隔線----------------------------------
Q1.為什麼做這個實驗!這個實驗不就只是看狗會不會感染狂犬病嗎?
國外不是早就有資料了?
A:
因為這次出現的台灣鼬獾身上的狂犬病毒株,是"新的"病毒株,和國外的不同,也和過去
以往的不同。補充:這次台灣發現的鼬獾病毒和犬隻狂犬病病毒基因比序只有百分之
八十八到九十二的相似性(資料來源:http://ppt.cc/XeBr)
所以實驗還要看的是傳染力、發病機率、等等來決定未來防疫的規模和方向。
傳染力+致病率的高低所要應對的防疫措施也會不同。
研究致病性傳染力和毒型強弱對防疫有甚麼影響呢?
剛剛說了,每個國家的狂犬病毒情況不太相同,
有些對人犬的致病性低和毒性低,如果台灣這個亞種是這樣,那皆大歡喜
大家都回家洗洗睡了免擔心。
如果台灣碰上的剛好相反都是毒性強、高致病性,接著台灣鼬獾身上的新亞種病毒突變或
跨物種傳染後,已現在擁有的傳統狂犬病疫苗,或免疫球蛋白,能對新的病毒株能提供多
少保護效力就無法確定要重新評估。
重複一下,這個實驗不是單純只看會不會感染,而是有很多必要的資訊在裡面,也是為了
未來的犬貓和人們的安全
況且農委會之後做防疫工作要不要開預算?開預算難道希望他們是自由心證隨便亂開嗎?
當然要調查後有證據才能支持。
至於樣本數和其他設計及其他會影響到實驗可信度的問題我就不清楚了,
也許有人能幫忙補充?
Q2.為甚麼要用米格魯!狗狗很可憐耶?
這邊分開兩部分回答,第一是米格魯從一直以來都是標準實驗動物:
純種品系和遺傳穩定,性情溫和等等特性,所以會選擇米格魯來做實驗對象
有些狗飼料上市前也是找牠做實驗,不然怎麼知道能夠預防結石、化毛、這些功效?
更不用說犬貓的用藥也是要經過動物實驗來測試藥物反應才能來給你家生病的愛犬服用。
第二是犬貓通常是傳染給人類最大的跳板,依現階段疫情(7/21~8/15)遭動物咬傷需給與
疫苗的人數統計來看,
被犬貓抓咬傷的暴露人數最多(1144)人,對比老鼠(197),錢鼠(157)鼬獾(36),數據上狗
和人接觸的比例確實高出許多。
或許這部份有其他人有更好的見解,就留給他人補充了,例如山區老鼠比較多該先做老鼠
之類的..
Q3.可是知名獸醫戴醫生有講這個實驗不必做耶!他是專家耶!
戴獸醫反對的理由:(以下引述他的說法)
獸醫院院長戴更基今天中午接受本報訪問時拿出一疊醫學文獻指出,
「只要是溫血哺乳動物都可能感染狂犬病毒,這種實驗十多年前國外就曾做過文獻報告且
發表!」
為什麼國外做過國內還要做這部分的原因Q1有解釋過了
而戴大獸醫秀出來的表格內,確實沒看到有台灣鼬獾在其中,而病毒株確實和國外不相同
況且那疊文獻中,有哪一篇裡面的的病毒株是單獨發作在單一食肉目動物卻從不會跨物種
傳染給狗的?
至於專家這部分,我也想不通,獸醫是在第一線做防疫工作值得敬佩沒錯,
但我真的不能理解他的發言....
這方面我寧可更相信前台灣省家畜衛生試驗所所長劉培柏說的資訊。
Q4.動物實驗好慘忍!人類好可惡為甚麼你們不要用人類自己去實驗!!
答:從我們出生開始就一直以來在享受動物實驗帶來的福祉恩惠,
包括各種疫苗、藥品、食品、洗髮沐浴乳、化妝品、寵物飼料、甚至衛生棉。
當中動物受的苦楚會少嗎?兔子眼睛爛掉就不用說了,成千上萬的小老鼠摘取器官開腦取
腸難道他們就沒感覺?
我相信有報應,但我們沒有人能逃的掉,
偏愛單一物種(例如愛狗)並不會就能讓你上天堂。
我們只能盡量選擇減少,能不用實驗動物就不用,
抱著一份尊重感恩的心態平等的看待這些捨身菩薩。
而不是單純因為看到狗可愛而開始失去理智亂罵,
動不動就把意見相反的人說成沒愛心或開始來個人肉搜索防疫工作人員,
汙名化辛苦的實驗人員,忽略其他受苦的實驗動物,並不公平。
----------------------------------------------------------------------
最後,希望大家能讓更多人知道這個實驗是有意義的,
防疫工作和做動物實驗其實都不會是什麼快樂的工作,請不要汙名化實驗人員
如果我有說錯也麻煩大家多多指正包涵。
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